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Papal apologies won’t wash…it’s time for his head to roll!

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Back in 1998, after having apologised for the Inquisition, the following statement came from the Vatican: “The church cannot cross the threshold of the new millennium without pressing its children to purify themselves in repentance for their errors, infidelity, incoherence and slowness.” (Cardinal Roger Etchegaray)

As the threshold was crossed we know that the Catholic Church continued ‘pressing its children’. The Pope has apologised to victims of child sex abuse by priests in Ireland. This is said to be the first pastoral statement of its kind by the Vatican on the sexual abuse of children. This is bullshit – In his papal order Horrendum, Pope Pius V (17 January 1504 – 1 May 1572) said that priests who abused children were to be stripped of the priesthood, deprived of all income and privileges and handed over to the civil authorities. 

Let’s be avin ya then!

The papal noncio in Dublin has used diplomatic immunity to refuse to collaborate with the investigations into clerical child abuse. Victims have been offered pay-offs (relatively tiny amounts that would have Michael Jackson turning in this grave) in return for confidentiality agreements. A secret order called “Crimen Sollicitationis”‘ ordered bishops to swear the victims to secrecy and allow the offending priests to jog  on to another parish. It has emerged that when Ratzinger was Archbishop of Munich, one of his paedophile priests was “reassigned” in this way. He claims he didn’t know. Yet a few years later he was put in charge of the Vatican’s response to this kind of abuse and demanded every case had to be referred directly to him for 20 years. What happened on his watch, with every case going to his desk? The BBC’s Panorama studied one of many such cases. Father Tarcisio Spricigo was first accused of child abuse in 1991, in Brazil. He was moved by the Vatican four times, wrecking the lives of children at every stop.

A few years ago this same nazi youth pontiff had to apologise for his anti-Islamic gaffe where he quoted a medieval emperor, calling Mohammed “evil and inhuman”. This sparked calls for his head which at the time seemed as absurd as Jihad against Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten. However, now we must all surely join hands in demanding the Pope’s head!

In his public address in St Peter’s Square yesterday, he had the gall to cite the gospel passage about Jesus inviting those without sin to cast the first stone toward an adulterer. Surely this is beyond shamefull and is simply intolerable?

A state visit to the UK is planned for September 2010, for which the taxpayer is going to be faced with a bill of some £20m for the privilege.

There is an online petition opposing the papal visit here: http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/ProtestthePope/

This doesn’t go far enough. We should demand that he handed over to the authorities for crimes against humanity as soon as he steps foot here.

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Written by tree2one

March 22, 2010 at 1:41 pm

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  1. Hear frickin hear!
    This is what should be on the front pages.
    This is what the masses should be getting hysterical about.
    But no…thieving bankers and politicians are apparently the real criminals.
    Why is every Catholic in the country not up in arms??

    jackshaftoe

    March 22, 2010 at 3:40 pm

  2. i’ll sign the petition. can’t be funding such a hypocrite. there are many bad people out there, but the hypocrite is the one that really gets me. yes these people are hypocrites, teaching one thing and doing another. but are the Catholics that aren’t doing anything about this even worse? are they too not hypocrites? knowing the good from bad but still deciding to do nothing about it. are the Catholics sitting quietly just as guilty?

    ChakDePhatte

    March 22, 2010 at 8:59 pm

  3. @ both jackshaftoe & ChakDePhatte – Dogma prevents Catholics from feeling guilty or being ‘up in arms’:

    Being a Catholic means that you believe the Pope is infallible, that he is preserved from the possibility of error.

    Being a Catholic means that you believe there can be no salvation outside the Church.

    The Primacy of the Roman Pontiff gives him absolute, unquestionable authority to anyone who calls themselves a Catholic.

    If you haven’t seen it already, check out Stephen Fry ripping into Catholic dogma

    tree2one

    March 22, 2010 at 9:58 pm

  4. I was born into catholicism in that parents decided this was the way for me. Thirty seven years later and of all the major catholic targets I have only have one more to do – last rites on death bed. After this I can pass into the kingdom of heaven filled with righteous, forgiving, charitable Christian folk. No gays, no Muslims, no Jews and certainly no c of e’s to be found here as these are evil beings, responsible for pretty much all of the devils dirty work. So where do kiddy fiddling, dirty twisted, depraved, dispicable, worthless, shit bag male priests sit in this hierarchy of evil doers sit acording to the church? Well, judging by the cover up executed by MR accomplice dirty peado fuck face razzo popester, these sub human pieces of shit are no way as bad. We rarely hear this organisation speak out on this subject but what about important subjects like say condom use? homosexuality? Divorce? I don’t think I need to say more. The fact that these cunts ( and I don’t use that term lightly) are still brething let alone free to peddle their crap to vulnerable individuals who seem to need a spiritual crutch to get them through to lunch is a damning indictment on our sick society. If you ask me what i’d do with them? Hark your minds back to the treatment dealt out to young michaels step dad in the wire when Chris went to work on him with bare knuckles in the dark alley. Is that up in arms enough for ya?

    sanchezdemarcos

    March 22, 2010 at 11:17 pm

    • @ sanchezdemarcos

      Big willy talk – we’d all do them over in the hyper-hypothetical scenario where we were ‘in charge’ of justice, but we aint. So what are you going to do in reality? Convince your family to stop being catholics? I have had a go at this myself – not easy.

      Let’s face it, you are not a ‘Catholic up in arms’ because you are clearly not a Catholic.

      tree2one

      March 23, 2010 at 11:04 am

  5. Child abuse happens in more ways than one.

    It begins in the home.

    Children are indoctrinated by parents who were themselves indoctrinated.

    It is a cycle of unwitting abuse.

    Lovely though it would be, there is no all powerful father figure who looks down upon us all and protects the good and ensures all will get their just desserts in the end.

    There is no eternal paradise awaiting the righteous after death.

    There is no place called hell where the bad will suffer for eternity.

    All are examples of mythical wish fulfilment which have taken a strong hold culturally.

    Such foundational beliefs in those innocently indoctrinated help mesh the foundations of corrupt and powerful reactionary autocracies like the Catholic Church.

    The best way to de-power these organisations and shorten their reach and influence is to break the cycle of child abuse through education; to speak to parents and future parents about the untenability of such beliefs.

    There will be resistance as early learning (primary socialisation) leads to such foundational doctrines feeling intuitively right.

    Yet whatever the turbulence, it is beholden on those who care about the future to help people understand key facts about the world such as there are not two independent substances called body and soul that can be separated from each other and ‘exist in different realms’. Such ideological lynchpins often hold the key to the framework of superstition and once removed the rest may collapse like a house of cards…

    The more people have the courage to challenge such erroneous doctrines, the more the walls of superstitious and abusive social institutions will erode and one day come ‘a tumblin down’…

    zygruntee

    March 23, 2010 at 9:17 am

    • “For those who stubbornly seek freedom, there can be no more urgent task than to come to understand the mechanisms and practices of indoctrination. These are easy to perceive in the totalitarian societies, much less so in the system of ‘brainwashing under freedom’ to which we are subjected and which all too often we serve as willing or unwitting instruments.” [Noam Chomsky]

      tree2one

      March 23, 2010 at 11:41 am

  6. Two points:
    @zyguntree – does this mean that we need to start (continue?) chipping away at the sacredness of the family?
    I agree that the sanctity of the family is the root of a large proportion of the abuse of children in the world…I do worry that this will end (in 100s of years time) with a complete destruction of the family unit. Or maybe I shouldn’t be worried and that would be a beneficial thing for society? (I can already feel all the parents bristling as they are told they can no longer brainwash their kids into their own cultural cognitive comas!)

    @chakdephatte – we should remember this is not just catholic hypocrisy. The catholics are unlucky in that they have a supreme leader.
    Imagine what a nightmare a supreme leader of the Islamic ummah would have been having in recent years? – a muslim leader would presumably be forced to expel any muslims dealing in the non-Islamic financial world etc etc.
    It is virtually impossible to be a leader of a world religion
    In fact, fuck that, we all deal with hypocrisy, but I accuse almost all followers of religion as being bigger hypocrites by default (unless perhaps they are sitting in a cave meditating).

    jackshaftoe

    March 23, 2010 at 10:00 am

    • Good point back @ Zygrunte – the Catholic Church does have a supreme leader, so there is an all powerful father figure in this case – the Pope. He sits atop and has been directly involved in a disgusting cover-up of institutional child abuse but is seemingly outside the law.
      This is the same man who lifted the excommunication of an ultra-traditionalist holocaust denying bishop last year and gave a bishopric to an Austrian priest who preached that hurricane Katrina was a retribution for the sinfulness of New Orleans!

      tree2one

      March 23, 2010 at 11:14 am

  7. You want to talk about hypocrisy, but what about the selective indignation of the media?
    I have followed this story very closely since it broke in Boston.
    The way John Geoghan was protected by the Church was disgraceful, and rather similar to the tactics displayed by the Bulgers and the Kennedys, but that is Boston for you – shitpit of corruption.
    Anyway, my point being teachers are abusing children everyday, yet we see a very different kind of coverage in the press.
    The media openly gives a nudge and a wink to female teachers raping and molesting young boys or we hear what Sting sang about, girls supposedly infatuated with male teachers.
    Bizarrely child abuse in schools is viewed by the media as consensual, even when the child is underage.
    I can recall only one recent story about a male teacher abusing a four year old boy that sparked moral outrage, but the majority of that was reserved for the parents’ who had bargained their silence. Sick fucks all of them.
    However, if child abuse is wrong then what difference the position of the abuser?
    It can be plausibly argued that child abuse in the Catholic Church is systemic and that the leaders are compliant, and yes WOW great job the media because we are now all aware and can choose to act accordingly.
    Now apply the same standards to teachers, otherwise it looks a hell of a lot like the Church was your target, not child abuse.

    gipperfan

    March 23, 2010 at 12:53 pm

    • The Catholic Church and the Pope in particular IS my target!
      Teachers who abuse children get dealt with by the authorities under the terms of the law. Institutional child abuse in a school would require the head to go.
      The Pope is untouchable.

      tree2one

      March 23, 2010 at 1:06 pm

  8. Geoghan was jailed, just like a teacher would have been (someone did us all a favour and murdered him in prison, but that is irrelevant).

    Yes the Pope is untouchable, but he is not the Head Teacher in this analogy. Not even the Minister of Education, the Pope is the Head of a Nation State.
    That is what makes him untouchable, because even though we have those awesome bodies of global human rights enforcement, the International Criminal Court, the UN itself, etc. we do not have actually enforceable international law.
    Do you want that?

    gipperfan

    March 23, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    • Thanks for unpacking this properly gipperfan, you are right, I was in a rush so left the middle out but that is precisely where I was heading. Incidentally, the papal vatican state was created as the result of a dirty deal between Pope and Mussolini. They got their state and the fascists got their support for dictatorship.

      Heads of state have been prosecuted – eg Saddam, so there is some enforceable international law, albeit limited.

      However I imagine the Pope has an extra layer of immunity based on the unique and twisted position that his role affords him – Ultramontanism

      If the Vatican admits responsibility for child abuse does it expose itself to financial claims should any court hold it to account for its negligence? Could the Pope conceivably be arrested and put on trial?

      tree2one

      March 23, 2010 at 6:57 pm

  9. I believe there is a lawsuit against the Holy See.
    I follow this because I listen daily to a radio talk show that comes out of Boston and they have covered Geoghan and Cardinal Law extensively since the story appeared in the Globe and then the extended fallout, but I may be wrong.

    Just don’t know how far you can really take universal jurisdiction without opening up a very unpleasant can of worms.

    gipperfan

    March 23, 2010 at 8:29 pm

  10. The Knights Templar filed a lawsuit against the Pope…lol..calling for him to recognise the seizure of assets worth 100 billion euros (£79 billion)
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/spain/2495343/Knights-Templar-heirs-in-legal-battle-with-the-Pope.html
    A class action suit was also filed by some Holocaust survivors against the Vatican Bank for teefing their gold
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alperin_v._Vatican_Bank

    Forget these money claims – we should be going after him for enabling and facilitating child abuse!

    According to this dodgey wikipedia entry, Roman Catholics spent $615 million on settling sex abuse cases in 2007!
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases

    tree2one

    March 23, 2010 at 9:14 pm

  11. “We should be going after him for enabling and facilitating child abuse!”

    You could substitute UN for the Catholic Church and Sec-Gen for Pope and not change very much else about the real substance of your posts.
    So what about Ban Ki-Moon and Kofi Annan and the child abuses by the blue helmets?
    What makes this even more horrific for me is that, while I can choose my religion or lack thereof, I cannot choose not to fund these facilitators and enablers of child abuse.
    And the UN that ultimate arbiter of international human rights has special rules for itself, they are truly untouchable.
    How many blue helmets raping children, running child prostituion rings and utterly destroying the children and the women of the people it was their mission to protect, have been prosecuted compared to priests?

    gipperfan

    March 24, 2010 at 11:08 am

  12. To quote the BBC on this –

    “To prey upon the very populations that you are sent to protect is one of the worst forms of violation and betrayal that there is.”

    However, as far as I am aware, niether Ban Ki-Moon or Kofi Annan stand personally accused of actively covering up child abuse.

    Under the law, being an accomplice is different to negligence.

    tree2one

    March 24, 2010 at 12:06 pm

  13. I thought the parameters were “enabling and facilitating”?
    He most certainly has been accused of actively covering up abuse. He did eventually say “zero-tolerance”, but as the UN special rules allow for offenders to be prosecuted ONLY in their home countries his hands stay clean, and yet he failed and Ki-moon fails to actually do anything to stop the abuse from happening.
    It is not negligence. They are willful accomplices unless they enforce their so-far empty words.

    From the UN itself about the UN in the Congo:
    “The OIOS reported, however, that MONUC had failed to put enforcement mechanisms in place — producing a situation the investigating body described as “zero compliance with zero tolerance.”
    http://www.un.org/ecosocdev/geninfo/afrec/vol19no1/191peacekeep.htm

    How many have been prosecuted?
    From the BBC article you quoted –
    “The UN said it had firm knowledge of only two concrete examples of sex offenders being sent to jail, although it believed there could be others it did not know about.”

    gipperfan

    March 24, 2010 at 12:38 pm

  14. PS @ Gipper: your diversionary tactics are as transparent as a jellyfish…

    zygruntee

    March 25, 2010 at 1:22 pm

  15. In summary the church operates a closed system of authority in which democracy is a dirty word, secrecy is a virtue and unaccountable individuals combine spiritual prestige and institutionalised power to form a breeding ground for abuse and cover-up.

    Moreover Ratzinger personally has presided over two key tenets of diocesean dogma:

    • Victims were, as a matter of official policy, sworn to secrecy.

    • The police were, as a matter of official church policy, never informed of endemic child rape crimes.

    It is no surprise that the Murphy Report (2009) on the Dublin Diocese (http://www.dacoi.ie/) concluded that its primary rationale lay not in the protection of children, but in “the maintenance of secrecy, the avoidance of scandal, the protection of the reputation of the church, and the preservation of its assets”.

    There is no excuse.

    PS – very informative article here: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/ireland/article6936278.ece

    zygruntee

    March 25, 2010 at 1:24 pm

    • Joseph Ratzinger has personally suppressed more than 3,000 clerical abuse cases and has issued gagging orders that are an incitement to the obstruction of justice; an inchoate criminal offence.

      tree2one

      March 31, 2010 at 9:33 am

  16. …And his response is to invite those without sin to cast the first stone. Intolerable. Take up your stones!

    tree2one

    March 26, 2010 at 10:45 am

  17. apparently its the media’s fault
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8588294.stm

    jackshaftoe

    March 26, 2010 at 2:17 pm

  18. In 1294, Pope Celestine V, only five months after his election, issued a solemn decree declaring it permissible for a pope to resign and then did so.

    tree2one

    March 28, 2010 at 10:40 pm

  19. In addition, I always found it incredible that an extremely wealthy autocracy such as the RC Church had the audacity to describe itself as ‘Christian’…ie following the teachings of Jesus. Here are the words from the horse’s mouth as reported in Matt. 19:

    16 And behold, one came to Him and said, “Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life?” 17 And He said to him, “Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.” 18 He said to Him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said, “You shall not commit murder; You shall not commit adultery; You shall not steal; You shall not bear false witness; 19 Honor your father and mother; and You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 20 The young man said to Him, “All these things I have kept; what am I still lacking?” 21 Jesus said to him, “If you wish to be complete, go and sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.” 22 But when the young man heard this statement, he went away grieved; for he was one who owned much property.

    23 And Jesus said to His disciples, “Truly I say to you, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 “And again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” 25

    zygruntee

    March 30, 2010 at 3:00 pm

  20. “It seems to me that the Vatican don’t actually believe in God at all. They’re certainly not acting like they believe in a God that watches. A Christian is supposed to ask ‘What would Jesus do?’ and try to do it. Would Jesus have covered up for decades all of this abuse?” Sinead O’Connor

    tree2one

    March 31, 2010 at 9:04 am

  21. get in there Sinead

    jackshaftoe

    March 31, 2010 at 9:12 am

  22. Back in 1992, while performing an a capella version of Bob Marley’s “War,” Sinead pulled out a photograph of Pope John Paul II, and shouted “Fight the real enemy” while ripping it in half. Catholics everywhere rose up in protest even as O’Connor explained that the act was to draw attention to the epidemic of child sexual abuse in the Church. To this day, she stands behind the statement, calling it one of her proudest moments 🙂

    tree2one

    March 31, 2010 at 9:37 am

  23. O’Connor is one of the most courageous artists out there and is deserving of respect for her integrity and willingness to stand up for her principles. Frank Sinatra threatened to “kick her ass” when she refused to perform in New Jersey if the American national anthem was compulsorily played before her concert. After this a huge redneck audience tried to stop her performing in MSG. Who can forget this footage?:

    zygruntee

    March 31, 2010 at 10:00 am

  24. zygruntee says:
    PS @ Gipper: your diversionary tactics are as transparent as a jellyfish…

    PMSL. I wasn’t trying to be covert.

    gipperfan

    April 5, 2010 at 1:25 am

  25. RICHARD DAWKINS and Christopher Hitchens ARE planning to have the Pope arrested during his state visit to Britain “for crimes against humanity”. They have asked human rights lawyers to produce a case for charging Pope Benedict XVI over his alleged cover-up of sexual abuse in the Catholic church.

    The pair believe they can exploit the same legal principle used to arrest Augusto Pinochet, the late Chilean dictator, when he visited Britain in 1998.

    Dawkins and Hitchens believe the Pope would be unable to claim diplomatic immunity from arrest because, although his tour is categorised as a state visit, he is not the head of a state recognised by the United Nations.

    They have commissioned the barrister Geoffrey Robertson and Mark Stephens, a solicitor, to present a justification for legal action.

    The lawyers believe they can ask the Crown Prosecution Service to initiate criminal proceedings against the Pope, launch their own civil action against him or refer his case to the International Criminal Court.

    Last year pro-Palestinian activists persuaded a British judge to issue an arrest warrant for Tzipi Livni, the Israeli politician, for offences allegedly committed during the 2008-09 conflict in Gaza. The warrant was withdrawn after Livni cancelled her planned trip to the UK.

    “There is every possibility of legal action against the Pope occurring,” said Stephens. “Geoffrey and I have both come to the view that the Vatican is not actually a state in international law. It is not recognised by the UN, it does not have borders that are policed and its relations are not of a full diplomatic nature.”

    🙂 🙂 🙂

    tree2one

    April 12, 2010 at 5:11 pm

  26. jackshaftoe

    April 14, 2010 at 9:04 am

  27. “The U.S. Cardinals said they are going to develop a code of ethics to help them deal with the sexual scandal. Wait a minute, I thought there already was a code of ethics, it’s called the Bible.” — Jay Leno

    “The Catholic Church is finally cracking down. Here’s the deal now: if a priest is transferred to another parish, he cannot take his live-in boyfriend.” — David Letterman

    tree2one

    April 16, 2010 at 10:46 am


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